pali:tomo pi toki ante

tomo ni li tawa ni: jan li kama tan pali ante pi kulupu Wikimesija li tan ala kulupu pi toki pona la, jan li ken toki tawa kulupu mi kepeken toki ante. kama pona!

This page is for non-tokiponists from elsewhere in the Wikimediaverse to chat with the tokiponists here. Welcome!

.أهلاً وسهلاً بكم في السفارة! هنا يمكن من غير متحدّثي التوكي بونا التحدث في لغتهم الأم

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toki Modahabbab (toki) 2025-11-28T01:00:35 (UTC)

Start

I hope I am not being disruptive here, but I wanted to ask about the Toki Pona wikipedia, but I do not know how to speak Toki Pona. My first question is do you have any page that is a list of words. One that could be linked to wikidata with the en:List of Toki Pona words page. I think this is a standard page all wikipedia projects have, so I apologize if it already exists elsewhere. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T08:06:26 (UTC)

I really want to help out with wikidata linking as much as I can. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T08:07:08 (UTC)

Hello! I've moved this over to the other-languages talk page we created previously. Pinging jan:Immanuelle just in case this is necessary to get the reply after moving the discussion.

As far as I can tell we don't have an article with a list of words. We do have a category kulupu:nimi though. Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T08:37:47 (UTC)

Thank you! I am working on connecting the individual words to their wikimedia commons categories! Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T08:40:28 (UTC)

The first conflict I am getting is that commons:Category:Kijetesantakalu could correspond to either nimi:kijetesantakalu or kijetesantakalu. So I am gonna not connect it until we make a decision on it. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T09:15:45 (UTC)

The nimi namespace is morally equivalent to wiktionary (and in fact allows words from any language). Does that help? Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T09:46:15 (UTC)

That is helpful. I made my decision. kijetesantakalu is the more important one to link. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T09:49:32 (UTC)

So will the namespace eventually eng up moved to toki pona wiktionary? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T11:46:20 (UTC)

I would like to do that eventually Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T16:56:13 (UTC)

Shinto

I found the article on Shinto here: nasin sewi Sinto. Do you have any articles on shrines or kami? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T09:55:38 (UTC)

Made one for Kami! kon Kami. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-28T11:11:29 (UTC)

So I am guessing that en:Amaterasu would come out as jan sewi Amatelasu. If we want to use the honorifics then jan sewi Amatelasu Ōmikami Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T12:36:13 (UTC)

Interwiki bot

I hope that you have an interwiki bot. I have been trying to link things by leaving suggestions as [[en:TITLE]] I hope this will give you a bit of time to see what I am suggesting and not have to deal with disconnecting and reconnecting to wikidata since it will take a few days to go into effect.

On some pages like tonsi I was not sure about what would fit. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T11:01:17 (UTC)

I'd say the best link to an English concept would be "non-binary". Thanks for all the work you put into this! jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-28T11:13:25 (UTC)

You're very welcome! Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T11:28:12 (UTC)

not sure what you mean by "take a few days to go into effect", i've been linking on wikidata and it's been showing up here pretty quickly

in fact i just linked selo pi poka tu wan through Duplicity and it showed up in like 15 seconds? .hecko (toki) 2025-11-28T14:51:45 (UTC)

I meant the method I use, which involves an interwiki bot. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T22:33:52 (UTC)

Suggested pages

Is there a suggested pages thing somewhere? Looking at a lot of the pages, @So Sinjo~wikipesija.org I think you might be interested in making articles for these three letters.

• Ꙫ simple:Binocular O
• ꙩ simple:Monocular O
• ꙭ simple:Double monocular O

Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T12:34:28 (UTC)

Are we gonna implement sitelen pona on this wiki

I would like to see an ability to read the wiki in Sitelen Pona someday similar to how Old English wikipedia lets you read in runes. Is this being planned? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T13:16:39 (UTC)

Yeah people constantly ask for it. It's hard to do automatically though. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398755 Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T16:55:23 (UTC)

I think I have an idea. It seems like loanwords are always capitalized right? So we could have the sound symbols show up based on the capitalization. Would you be interested in me working on parsing for this, or do you already have an established library? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:20:53 (UTC)

It technically doesn't matter what glyphs to use in a cartouche, for names. There's 4-ish fonts that automatically convert any capitalised word into a cartouche - it'll be easier to read a text if the cartouche stays the same throughout the text, which isn't what the fonts typically do (although it can be done by limiting what can go in the cartouche in the first place).

All that is to say, we don't necessarily have to worry about converting every name manually. Using one cartouche, consistently, can already work. And we could, then, adapt them for cartouches we want more specifically.

Also, this only works with properly tokiponised names. Names that have foreign characters might not mix well with the rest of the cartouche or not show up at all, depending on the font. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T00:08:40 (UTC)

What’s the word we use for cartouche? Do we have an article on it? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T02:19:10 (UTC)

sitelen pona - which should probably be expanded, otherwise describing what the cartouche is? Well, poki, selo and nimi are useful words here. There's no single way to refer to it. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T11:53:36 (UTC)

Here in my sandbox I have a list of the sitelen pona sitelen sitelen and their words if that is what you meant by the expansion jan:Immanuelle/sandbox Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T12:06:16 (UTC)

No, I meant the article is short. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T12:15:02 (UTC)

How competent in toki pona do we need to be to start writing articles

I really do not want to cause problems with article quality, but I want to start working on jan:Immanuelle/jan sewi Amatelasu Omikami. Would you be supportive of me doing this or opposed. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:35:34 (UTC)

wan Tansin wrote a self assessment for just this purpose. Try it and let me know what you think: mi toki pona anu seme? Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T23:45:22 (UTC)

I am in open sona. And I presume someone at that level can add images or correct years and such, just not change sentences. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:47:45 (UTC)

Yeah, more or less. Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T23:49:38 (UTC)

Would it be cool to try to write some userspace drafts though? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:57:53 (UTC)

Perfectly fine imo. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T00:12:09 (UTC)

I’ll do template work too. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T00:50:50 (UTC)

Notability for conlangs

I see a lot of conlang wiki articles. What is our notability policy for them? Can we just make articles on any conlang? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:36:51 (UTC)

We have no written notability policy, like most Wikipedias. The informal pan-Wikipedia notability policy is something like en:WP:GNG, but less strict on what "significant" and "reliable" mean, and often with some deference to topics that are particularly relevant to the language community. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T08:22:36 (UTC)

Related thread: d:user talk:Emu#undeletion request — Arlo Barnes (toki) 2025-12-02T14:15:52 (UTC)

Deleting improper imports

I tried to manually copy over some templates so I could make an equivalent of this simple english wikipedia template simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words but I did not do it properly. Can you delete kipisi:Hlist/styles.css Module:Navbox/styles.css Module:Navbox/configuration and Module:Navbox. I hope we get a navbox template so this can work in the future, but it is well beyond my abilities, and I think case sensitivity might make things not work the same on this wiki. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T08:08:33 (UTC)

@Tamzin I am so so sorry. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T08:13:26 (UTC)

No worries. It's a couple button-presses in Special:Nuke. In the future, if you'd like to import something, please ask an admin rather than copy-pasting. Thanks! -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T08:20:06 (UTC)

@Tansin thank you so much. I decided to make the same template with just a regular table. Here it is jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words. Do you think this is something suitable for being used here? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T08:28:54 (UTC)

Anyways I would like to import en:Template:ill Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T09:05:07 (UTC)

I'm not sure that that would be noncontroversial. Usually, small wikis directing traffic toward big wikis is counterproductive, since it keeps people from creating links locally. We do already have {{lipu li ala}}, which is like ILL except that it uses a Wikidata ID. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T09:33:46 (UTC)

That is good. Better than an ill even. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T09:42:06 (UTC)

Here's a transclusion of the template I made with all the words

Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T10:03:38 (UTC)

If it is good I would like to move it to kipisi:nimi lon toki pona.Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T10:20:39 (UTC)

I updated the template. Does anyone have thoughts on it now? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-03T06:10:35 (UTC)

Hm I think my thoughts are this is a weird way to organize an encyclopedia. Practically speaking, all of these single-word-title articles are likely to become disambiguation pages in time. This approach would be more suited for the word definition pages. Tbodt (toki) 2025-12-03T06:19:19 (UTC)

@Tbodt this one has both the definitions and the articles. Article is first and the sitelen pona is the definition. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-03T06:21:16 (UTC)

But already a and [[n] do not link to the expected places. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-03T06:22:24 (UTC)

ah, I didn't notice. It's really surprising and unexpected for a word written normally and the sitelen pona to be different links - it's just the same word written twice, they should be one link together. I'm firmly on the side of it's only really useful to have definition links. Tbodt (toki) 2025-12-03T06:24:18 (UTC)

I created a template and I wonder if it will be good enough for mainspace

I made this template jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words and would want to move it to kipisi:nimi lon toki pona, but I am neither autoconfirmed, nor confident that I got things right. Does anyone want to check the template and move it to mainspace if it is good enough? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T10:49:31 (UTC)

I would prefer feedback from the community first. There's a few stylistic issues in this (uppercase letters; "nimi lon toki pona", which is not-incorrect but not I think how most people would phrase it), but also broader questions of if this is how we want to present this information, what non-ku-suli words (if any) should be listed, and whether this is something we want linking to the main namespace or the nimi namespace. Perhaps jan Juwan has thoughts. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T11:11:28 (UTC)

giving my two cents, I would prefer to go with the Linku categories, similar to what sona pona does (see Template:Words). styliscally, the navbox is also way too tall, it can easily be compressed down without losing navigability. Juwan (toki) 2025-11-29T11:17:36 (UTC)

And as for being more of a proper navbox. I did it this way since we do not have Template:Navbox imported from enwiki, and you can see what I did on simplewiki here simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words. Had an earlier revision using it here but I had import troubles. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T11:21:33 (UTC)

And as for my opinions on nimi vs mainspace. I think mainspace is better because it helps us understand the concepts being combined. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T11:23:43 (UTC)

ijo Tewa vs sewi Tewa

I found the page ijo Tewa and while I am 100% limited in my intuition, I would expect it should be sewi Tewa. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T11:13:04 (UTC)

As currently written it should probably be nimi, actually. But I'm not sure that's the best way to frame the article... enwiki tries to sidestep the use/mention distinction too, though, so idk. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T11:16:31 (UTC)

Import request

Can we import en:Template:infobox religious building some parts are already here under their own names. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T15:01:00 (UTC)

Do we want to have the same proliferation of niche infobox templates that enwiki has? That does not seem very pona. My initial attitude here is that I'm only comfortable using this page (which by its nature excludes many toki pona speakers, since not all speak English) for uncontroversial things; I would rather a discussion at pali:tomo toki before actioning something like this. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T15:03:20 (UTC)

Sitelinks

Hi jan:Immanuelle, I noticed you did a lot of sitelinking on Wikidata. Unfortunately when I started looking I found a number of obvious mistakes (for example, linking the End Poem article to Julian Gough.) I'd like to ask you to hold off on helping with sitelinking. Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-30T03:00:37 (UTC)

I will hold off on it. I apologize for that. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-30T03:02:11 (UTC)

kipisi:hlist/sona

Could someone translate this into toki pona? Sapphaline (toki) 2025-12-02T09:07:34 (UTC)

Done, thanks Retsamys! Sapphaline (toki) 2025-12-02T15:21:34 (UTC)