pali:tomo pi toki ante

• tok: tomo ni li tawa ni: jan li kama tan pali ante pi kulupu Wikimesija li tan ala kulupu pi toki pona la, ona li ken toki tawa kulupu mi kepeken toki ante. kama pona!
• ar: أهلاً وسهلاً بكم في السفارة! هنا يمكن لغير متحدّثي التوكي بونا من مختلف أنحاء عالم ويكيميديا التحدث مع متحدثيها في لغتهم الأم.
• cs: Tato stránka je určena Wikipedistům, kteří nemluví toki ponou, aby zde mohli diskutovat s ostatními uživateli. Vítejte!
• de: Diese Seite erlaubt es, Leute aus der Wikimedia-Welt, die kein Toki Pona sprechen, mit Sprechern zu reden. Willkommen!
• en: This page is for non-tokiponists from elsewhere in the Wikimediaverse to chat with the tokiponists here. Welcome!
• eo: Ĉi tie ne-tokiponistoj de ie ajn en la mondo de Vikimedio povas paroli kun la tokiponistoj. Bonvenon!
• es: Aquí, las no tokiponistas de otras partes del mundo en Wikimedia pueden hablar con las tokiponistas. Bienvenidos!
• fr: Ici les non-tokiponistes d'ailleurs dans le monde Wikimédia peuvent parler avec les tokiponistes. Bienvenue !
• id: Laman ini teruntuk orang yang tidak memahami Toki Pona yang berasal dari semesta Wikimedia manapun untuk berbincang bersama warga Toki Pona di sini. Selamat datang!
• ldn: Bóolan medibithim Thaledaná widadithethóo beth. Wil sha!
• nl: Op deze pagina kunnen mensen uit de Wikimedia-wereld die geen Toki Pona spreken met mensen die Toki Pona spreken. Welkom!
• no: I denne kanalen kan brukere fra andre Wikimedia prosjekter som ikke forstår toki pona snakke med brukere som forstår toki pona. Velkommen!
• pl: To jest miejsce dla osób z innych zakątków Wikimedii, nieznających języka toki pona, a chcących porozmawiać z tutejszymi tokiponist(k)ami. Zapraszamy!
• tr: Bu sayfa Wikimedia dünyasında toki pona konuşmayanların burada toki pona konuşanlar ile sohbet etmesi içindir. Hoşgeldiniz!
• vi: Trang này dành cho những người không biết toki pona đến từ các dự án thuộc Wikimedia để trò chuyện với những người nói toki pona. Chào mừng bạn đến đây!

ni li kama

toki Modahabbab (toki) 2025-11-28T01:00:35 (UTC)

Start

I hope I am not being disruptive here, but I wanted to ask about the Toki Pona wikipedia, but I do not know how to speak Toki Pona. My first question is do you have any page that is a list of words. One that could be linked to wikidata with the en:List of Toki Pona words page. I think this is a standard page all wikipedia projects have, so I apologize if it already exists elsewhere. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T08:06:26 (UTC)

I really want to help out with wikidata linking as much as I can. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T08:07:08 (UTC)

Hello! I've moved this over to the other-languages talk page we created previously. Pinging jan:Immanuelle just in case this is necessary to get the reply after moving the discussion.

As far as I can tell we don't have an article with a list of words. We do have a category kulupu:nimi though. Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T08:37:47 (UTC)

Thank you! I am working on connecting the individual words to their wikimedia commons categories! Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T08:40:28 (UTC)

The first conflict I am getting is that commons:Category:Kijetesantakalu could correspond to either nimi:kijetesantakalu or kijetesantakalu. So I am gonna not connect it until we make a decision on it. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T09:15:45 (UTC)

The nimi namespace is morally equivalent to wiktionary (and in fact allows words from any language). Does that help? Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T09:46:15 (UTC)

That is helpful. I made my decision. kijetesantakalu is the more important one to link. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T09:49:32 (UTC)

So will the namespace eventually eng up moved to toki pona wiktionary? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T11:46:20 (UTC)

I would like to do that eventually Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T16:56:13 (UTC)

Shinto

I found the article on Shinto here: nasin sewi Sinto. Do you have any articles on shrines or kami? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T09:55:38 (UTC)

Made one for Kami! kon Kami. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-28T11:11:29 (UTC)

So I am guessing that en:Amaterasu would come out as jan sewi Amatelasu. If we want to use the honorifics then jan sewi Amatelasu Ōmikami Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T12:36:13 (UTC)

Interwiki bot

I hope that you have an interwiki bot. I have been trying to link things by leaving suggestions as [[en:TITLE]] I hope this will give you a bit of time to see what I am suggesting and not have to deal with disconnecting and reconnecting to wikidata since it will take a few days to go into effect.

On some pages like tonsi I was not sure about what would fit. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T11:01:17 (UTC)

I'd say the best link to an English concept would be "non-binary". Thanks for all the work you put into this! jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-28T11:13:25 (UTC)

You're very welcome! Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T11:28:12 (UTC)

not sure what you mean by "take a few days to go into effect", i've been linking on wikidata and it's been showing up here pretty quickly

in fact i just linked selo pi poka tu wan through Duplicity and it showed up in like 15 seconds? .hecko (toki) 2025-11-28T14:51:45 (UTC)

I meant the method I use, which involves an interwiki bot. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T22:33:52 (UTC)

Suggested pages

Is there a suggested pages thing somewhere? Looking at a lot of the pages, @So Sinjo~wikipesija.org I think you might be interested in making articles for these three letters.

• Ꙫ simple:Binocular O
• ꙩ simple:Monocular O
• ꙭ simple:Double monocular O

Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T12:34:28 (UTC)

Are we gonna implement sitelen pona on this wiki

I would like to see an ability to read the wiki in Sitelen Pona someday similar to how Old English wikipedia lets you read in runes. Is this being planned? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T13:16:39 (UTC)

Yeah people constantly ask for it. It's hard to do automatically though. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398755 Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T16:55:23 (UTC)

I think I have an idea. It seems like loanwords are always capitalized right? So we could have the sound symbols show up based on the capitalization. Would you be interested in me working on parsing for this, or do you already have an established library? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:20:53 (UTC)

It technically doesn't matter what glyphs to use in a cartouche, for names. There's 4-ish fonts that automatically convert any capitalised word into a cartouche - it'll be easier to read a text if the cartouche stays the same throughout the text, which isn't what the fonts typically do (although it can be done by limiting what can go in the cartouche in the first place).

All that is to say, we don't necessarily have to worry about converting every name manually. Using one cartouche, consistently, can already work. And we could, then, adapt them for cartouches we want more specifically.

Also, this only works with properly tokiponised names. Names that have foreign characters might not mix well with the rest of the cartouche or not show up at all, depending on the font. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T00:08:40 (UTC)

What’s the word we use for cartouche? Do we have an article on it? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T02:19:10 (UTC)

sitelen pona - which should probably be expanded, otherwise describing what the cartouche is? Well, poki, selo and nimi are useful words here. There's no single way to refer to it. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T11:53:36 (UTC)

Here in my sandbox I have a list of the sitelen pona sitelen sitelen and their words if that is what you meant by the expansion jan:Immanuelle/sandbox Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T12:06:16 (UTC)

No, I meant the article is short. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T12:15:02 (UTC)

How competent in toki pona do we need to be to start writing articles

I really do not want to cause problems with article quality, but I want to start working on jan:Immanuelle/jan sewi Amatelasu Omikami. Would you be supportive of me doing this or opposed. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:35:34 (UTC)

wan Tansin wrote a self assessment for just this purpose. Try it and let me know what you think: mi toki pona anu seme? Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T23:45:22 (UTC)

I am in open sona. And I presume someone at that level can add images or correct years and such, just not change sentences. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:47:45 (UTC)

Yeah, more or less. Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-28T23:49:38 (UTC)

Would it be cool to try to write some userspace drafts though? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:57:53 (UTC)

Perfectly fine imo. jan Ke Tami (toki) 2025-11-29T00:12:09 (UTC)

I’ll do template work too. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T00:50:50 (UTC)

Notability for conlangs

I see a lot of conlang wiki articles. What is our notability policy for them? Can we just make articles on any conlang? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-28T23:36:51 (UTC)

We have no written notability policy, like most Wikipedias. The informal pan-Wikipedia notability policy is something like en:WP:GNG, but less strict on what "significant" and "reliable" mean, and often with some deference to topics that are particularly relevant to the language community. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T08:22:36 (UTC)

Related thread: d:user talk:Emu#undeletion request — Arlo Barnes (toki) 2025-12-02T14:15:52 (UTC)

I recently learned that even the toki pona article has been discussed to be deleted in the past. (see here). So it seems that people care about notability of a conlang to some extent. Note that this discussion is several years old and policies about article deletions etc. might have changed since then. JLapi (toki) 2025-12-09T09:43:26 (UTC)

that's for the english wikipedia, we can have different notability guidelines to some extent

also that's not "several" years old it's 20 years old, and the main thing that changed since then wasn't the guidelines becoming looser (if anything i feel like they're stricter) but toki pona itself becoming more notable :p ~poni Kita (toki) 2025-12-09T16:39:34 (UTC)

Deleting improper imports

I tried to manually copy over some templates so I could make an equivalent of this simple english wikipedia template simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words but I did not do it properly. Can you delete kipisi:Hlist/styles.css Module:Navbox/styles.css Module:Navbox/configuration and Module:Navbox. I hope we get a navbox template so this can work in the future, but it is well beyond my abilities, and I think case sensitivity might make things not work the same on this wiki. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T08:08:33 (UTC)

@Tamzin I am so so sorry. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T08:13:26 (UTC)

No worries. It's a couple button-presses in Special:Nuke. In the future, if you'd like to import something, please ask an admin rather than copy-pasting. Thanks! -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T08:20:06 (UTC)

@Tansin thank you so much. I decided to make the same template with just a regular table. Here it is jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words. Do you think this is something suitable for being used here? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T08:28:54 (UTC)

Anyways I would like to import en:Template:ill Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T09:05:07 (UTC)

I'm not sure that that would be noncontroversial. Usually, small wikis directing traffic toward big wikis is counterproductive, since it keeps people from creating links locally. We do already have {{lipu li ala}}, which is like ILL except that it uses a Wikidata ID. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T09:33:46 (UTC)

That is good. Better than an ill even. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T09:42:06 (UTC)

Here's a transclusion of the template I made with all the words

Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T10:03:38 (UTC)

If it is good I would like to move it to kipisi:nimi lon toki pona.Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T10:20:39 (UTC)

I updated the template. Does anyone have thoughts on it now? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-03T06:10:35 (UTC)

Hm I think my thoughts are this is a weird way to organize an encyclopedia. Practically speaking, all of these single-word-title articles are likely to become disambiguation pages in time. This approach would be more suited for the word definition pages. Tbodt (toki) 2025-12-03T06:19:19 (UTC)

@Tbodt this one has both the definitions and the articles. Article is first and the sitelen pona is the definition. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-03T06:21:16 (UTC)

But already a and [[n] do not link to the expected places. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-03T06:22:24 (UTC)

ah, I didn't notice. It's really surprising and unexpected for a word written normally and the sitelen pona to be different links - it's just the same word written twice, they should be one link together. I'm firmly on the side of it's only really useful to have definition links. Tbodt (toki) 2025-12-03T06:24:18 (UTC)

@Tbodt I changed it using a template, and just dictionary link. Do you think that it is now good enough to move out of userspace? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-12T23:48:52 (UTC)

I created a template and I wonder if it will be good enough for mainspace

I made this template jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words and would want to move it to kipisi:nimi lon toki pona, but I am neither autoconfirmed, nor confident that I got things right. Does anyone want to check the template and move it to mainspace if it is good enough? Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T10:49:31 (UTC)

I would prefer feedback from the community first. There's a few stylistic issues in this (uppercase letters; "nimi lon toki pona", which is not-incorrect but not I think how most people would phrase it), but also broader questions of if this is how we want to present this information, what non-ku-suli words (if any) should be listed, and whether this is something we want linking to the main namespace or the nimi namespace. Perhaps jan Juwan has thoughts. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T11:11:28 (UTC)

giving my two cents, I would prefer to go with the Linku categories, similar to what sona pona does (see Template:Words). styliscally, the navbox is also way too tall, it can easily be compressed down without losing navigability. Juwan (toki) 2025-11-29T11:17:36 (UTC)

And as for being more of a proper navbox. I did it this way since we do not have Template:Navbox imported from enwiki, and you can see what I did on simplewiki here simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words. Had an earlier revision using it here but I had import troubles. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T11:21:33 (UTC)

And as for my opinions on nimi vs mainspace. I think mainspace is better because it helps us understand the concepts being combined. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T11:23:43 (UTC)

ijo Tewa vs sewi Tewa

I found the page ijo Tewa and while I am 100% limited in my intuition, I would expect it should be sewi Tewa. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T11:13:04 (UTC)

As currently written it should probably be nimi, actually. But I'm not sure that's the best way to frame the article... enwiki tries to sidestep the use/mention distinction too, though, so idk. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T11:16:31 (UTC)

Import request

Can we import en:Template:infobox religious building some parts are already here under their own names. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-29T15:01:00 (UTC)

Do we want to have the same proliferation of niche infobox templates that enwiki has? That does not seem very pona. My initial attitude here is that I'm only comfortable using this page (which by its nature excludes many toki pona speakers, since not all speak English) for uncontroversial things; I would rather a discussion at pali:tomo toki before actioning something like this. -- wan Tansin^{[pi sijelo Tamzin]} 2025-11-29T15:03:20 (UTC)

Sitelinks

Hi jan:Immanuelle, I noticed you did a lot of sitelinking on Wikidata. Unfortunately when I started looking I found a number of obvious mistakes (for example, linking the End Poem article to Julian Gough.) I'd like to ask you to hold off on helping with sitelinking. Tbodt (toki) 2025-11-30T03:00:37 (UTC)

I will hold off on it. I apologize for that. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-11-30T03:02:11 (UTC)

I want to confirm that this one tomo wawa pi ma tomo Pukusima is en:Fukushima nuclear accident Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-09T08:55:16 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: No, it's en:Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. Like Tbodt said, please just leave this to proficient speakers. -- wan Tansin^{[{{jan|Tamzin}}]} 2025-12-09T08:57:17 (UTC)

you don't seem to have held off on it, judging by Q137374997 and its children (toki pona words), whose existence is iffy at best

our "nimi" namespace is most equivalent to scots wikipedia's "define" namespace, which WD:NEC says is ineligible because it's pretty much wiktionary and wiktionary has its own crosslinking system

buuut admittedly it's one guy saying that, and the crosslinking system isn't there for non-wiktionaries currently, and even if there were it'd just link to the main page and not the appendix page, and idk if one can do classic interlanguage links across wikis (though one could do regular links),

that being said these items are probably gonna get removed by somepony at some point, i'm sorry to say ~poni Kita (toki) 2025-12-14T00:13:31 (UTC)

I did not take the nimi namespace as applying for this, since they are relatively unambiguous and not requiring comprehension and the main purpose is to connect the nimi items to the commons categories for their representations in sitelen pona and sitelen sitelen.

Also yes they are connected to english wiktionary. I am not sure how a nimi to toki pona wiktionary migration would work. But I think this was a useful task. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-14T00:23:32 (UTC)

I would argue that the fact there are commons categories for all of them means the items are more important than the scots wikipedia one. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-14T00:47:02 (UTC)

kipisi:hlist/sona

Could someone translate this into toki pona? Sapphaline (toki) 2025-12-02T09:07:34 (UTC)

Done, thanks Retsamys! Sapphaline (toki) 2025-12-02T15:21:34 (UTC)

I made a template to show words in sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen

I made a template kipisi:sitelen to display text in sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen

Cartouche syllables for sound symbols are in all caps. It works for all nimi pu and nimi ku suli except for the sitelen sitelen for ku, since I cannot find it, and the words listed as "nimi weka" in this template jan:Immanuelle/nimi_lon_toki_pona Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-11T11:48:42 (UTC)

The images are not visible / badly visible in dark-mode, this creates an accessibility issue. Peter Alfons Loch (toki) 2025-12-11T11:52:25 (UTC)

@Peter Alfons Loch is it possible to make the template rendering change based on dark mode vs light mode? It would probably be easiest to have it switch between a white vs black version of the embedded images. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-11T11:56:13 (UTC)

I do not know of such a function, but using a white background can help with this, not forgetting to add white also around the symbol. OR a border in white around the symbol itself.

After typing this I researched and found this:

"For skeleton black and white images, it's possible to use the css "skin-invert-image" class, the colors will invert only in dark mode, as shown bellow:" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pictures#Dark_mode Peter Alfons Loch (toki) 2025-12-11T12:06:35 (UTC)

I also found that https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/nimi:a for example the image on the right does change with dark/light mode, so it may be a good reference to see how it can be achieved. Peter Alfons Loch (toki) 2025-12-11T12:09:12 (UTC)

I now see that the mages in your post here are white and not black, i did not even see them before so it seems to work. maybe this should be forwarded to the tok.wiki team so they can do it for all such images used? Peter Alfons Loch (toki) 2025-12-11T12:11:37 (UTC)

@Peter Alfons Loch what do you want me to forward to them? I used the method that you suggested. Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-11T12:12:41 (UTC)

Well what you applied here on the post could help also with symbols like here on the left the symbol for "pu" https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/nimi:a as it has the same issue in dark mode. Peter Alfons Loch (toki) 2025-12-11T12:15:30 (UTC)

I see you got it! Great Immanuelle (toki) 2025-12-12T23:52:17 (UTC)